Re: American Media != Corporate America
That is communism -- pure and simple.
When you take away the individual right to choose, there is no difference.
When people exercise their individual right to give, that's a "common good."
It's not forced, so it's not forced community.
My main argument and issue isn't that the government holds a gun to my head and takes half my sandwich.
It's when the government comes back later and asks for my entire sandwich, the other half to support the agency they've built to support this "help each other" non-sense.
There is a huge difference between choosing to help a "public good" and forcing everyone to support it.
Freedom is individual choice.
Socialism is community choice -- that is right in the Communist Manifesto!
Have you ever look at the social services budget of even the US?
Including the public works projects put on by the US military under the defense budget?
And we're not a "socialist country"?!
When over half of Americans work for the state or on state projects, I'm sorry, that's a socialist state.
Futhermore, increased progressive income tax is why the rich get richer and poor get poorer.
The poor cannot acquire wealth as they exit poverty and pay more taxes.
Communism is a very noble idea, and some of the pilot Communist cities were done in the US!
The problem is that with size, people can't hold each other directly accountable.
That's why socialism and forced community breaks down and becomes inefficient, actually helping people less!
Ironically enough, with all its greed, Capitalism offers a better balance -- far from ideal, but it does.
The only thing Capitalism doesn't address is redistribution of wealth.
But then again, all Socialism does it transfer wealth to the government.
So now you not only have people with a large "state mega-corporation" in government, but those who run it are completely "above the law!"
The Communism Manifesto is a brilliant write, it lays out a sound foundation.
It works extremely well as long as individuals hold other individuals accountable.
As we've shown with government, the individual cannot hold leaders directly accountable.
That's why a large "state mega-corporation" fails to hold any balance!
Which is why capitalism, with all of its faults, is still better.
The consumer, company, unions, etc... -- not perfect, but at least there is more individual accountability and interaction at lower levels.
That's why I, personally and individually, choose to use my time and money to help people!.
I just don't leave it to other people and other people's money.
But there is a huge difference between individual choice to help a "public good" and mandating and forcing everyone to help because the "community has rights."
I, however, do.
The overwhelming majority of African Americans were denied education for a century after they were "freed" (even if not completely) in America.
The bigots knew that by denying education they would screw over African Americans for generations.
The funny thing is that so few Americans realize that is the root cause of the African American - poverty connection!
It's right there, in black'n white!
I have constantly recommended that African Americans should have FREE COLLEGE TUITION, with any African American who finishes in the top 10% of their class qualifying for college.
That would help address most of the problem within 3 generations.
No, it doesn't solve the injustice of current or even the next 1-2 generations of African Americans.
But it actually does solve the problem for the future!
Other social services and "entitlements" than education does not.
Education is the only social service that pays future dividens!
Which is why I disagree with the US Libertarian Party, and believe education must continue to be a social right.
You have to help people help themselves, nothing else works.
You're promoting federalized social services, forced community.********** said:
That is communism -- pure and simple.
When you take away the individual right to choose, there is no difference.
When people exercise their individual right to give, that's a "common good."
It's not forced, so it's not forced community.
No, socialism is where the government holds a gun to your head and forces you to pay them under the guise that they are helping people.Nightfly said:
My main argument and issue isn't that the government holds a gun to my head and takes half my sandwich.
It's when the government comes back later and asks for my entire sandwich, the other half to support the agency they've built to support this "help each other" non-sense.
There is a huge difference between choosing to help a "public good" and forcing everyone to support it.
Freedom is individual choice.
Socialism is community choice -- that is right in the Communist Manifesto!
Really? And is that what you've been raised to believe?Nightfly said:
Have you ever look at the social services budget of even the US?
Including the public works projects put on by the US military under the defense budget?
And we're not a "socialist country"?!
When over half of Americans work for the state or on state projects, I'm sorry, that's a socialist state.
Futhermore, increased progressive income tax is why the rich get richer and poor get poorer.
The poor cannot acquire wealth as they exit poverty and pay more taxes.
What "extreme"?Nightfly said:
Communism is a very noble idea, and some of the pilot Communist cities were done in the US!
The problem is that with size, people can't hold each other directly accountable.
That's why socialism and forced community breaks down and becomes inefficient, actually helping people less!
Ironically enough, with all its greed, Capitalism offers a better balance -- far from ideal, but it does.
The only thing Capitalism doesn't address is redistribution of wealth.
But then again, all Socialism does it transfer wealth to the government.
So now you not only have people with a large "state mega-corporation" in government, but those who run it are completely "above the law!"
Yes, that part is obvious.Nightfly said:
The Communism Manifesto is a brilliant write, it lays out a sound foundation.
It works extremely well as long as individuals hold other individuals accountable.
As we've shown with government, the individual cannot hold leaders directly accountable.
That's why a large "state mega-corporation" fails to hold any balance!
Which is why capitalism, with all of its faults, is still better.
The consumer, company, unions, etc... -- not perfect, but at least there is more individual accountability and interaction at lower levels.
I very much agree with you!Nightfly said:
That's why I, personally and individually, choose to use my time and money to help people!.
I just don't leave it to other people and other people's money.
And I 100% agree with you!Nightfly said:
But there is a huge difference between individual choice to help a "public good" and mandating and forcing everyone to help because the "community has rights."
Sorry you don't get to see it first hand.Nightfly said:
I, however, do.
Yes, but if you look at a chart of education, that's why more than anything else.Nightfly said:
The overwhelming majority of African Americans were denied education for a century after they were "freed" (even if not completely) in America.
The bigots knew that by denying education they would screw over African Americans for generations.
The funny thing is that so few Americans realize that is the root cause of the African American - poverty connection!
It's right there, in black'n white!
I have constantly recommended that African Americans should have FREE COLLEGE TUITION, with any African American who finishes in the top 10% of their class qualifying for college.
That would help address most of the problem within 3 generations.
No, it doesn't solve the injustice of current or even the next 1-2 generations of African Americans.
But it actually does solve the problem for the future!
Other social services and "entitlements" than education does not.
Education is the only social service that pays future dividens!
Which is why I disagree with the US Libertarian Party, and believe education must continue to be a social right.
You have to help people help themselves, nothing else works.
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